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Post by tourtelot on Jun 8, 2011 10:34:14 GMT -5
My 01V96 v.2 has developed a peculiar issue. Sometimes, for no apparent reason, the output of a channel will increase by a lot; maybe 3dB, to the busses. It is post fader because the same thing does not happen to the prefade auxes.
Sounds sort of like coming out of a compressor after a big squish, but there are no dynamics assigned. It happens across more than one channel but I can not, for the life of me, track it down.
Anyone had a similar experience and did you find a solution?
Yamaha in CA couldn't solve it.
D.
Douglas Tourtelot, CAS
Seattle, WA
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Post by rlightstone on Jun 8, 2011 13:24:00 GMT -5
Douglas, You have the famous Yamaha "ghostly faders". When the fader gets dirty - usually in about 2 to 3 years of use, the physical fader may be in a fixed position, but the software actually is moving the fader. I'm sure it's the dirt that is causing the software to mis-read the information. If you connect your mixer to your computer and observe it in Studio Manager - you will visually see the fader moving on the screen, even when the physical fader is motionless. Time to send it in to Yamaha for service - about $400. and they will replace the entire fader pc board and make it like new. There is another user, Scott Harber who has successfully received parts from Yamaha and did the fix himself -- I believe his report is some where on this board. Here is the thread: o1v96psug.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=28 |
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Post by tourtelot on Jun 8, 2011 16:03:33 GMT -5
Thanks Richard. I knew SOMEONE would have the answer. Once I get off this, I'll order the encoders and fix it up.
Thanks for the reply. It all makes sense now. Pretty weird experience.
D.
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Post by tourtelot on Jun 8, 2011 21:02:06 GMT -5
Just checked. The PCB board with 17 faders now goes for almost $900 do-it-yourself. The factory repair would be even more.
Ouch!
I might solder new faders to the old PC board at $38 each times 17. Checking with Yammy to see if there are other components on the PCB that might fail to make sure this is a smart approach.
D.
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Post by rlightstone on Jun 8, 2011 23:15:29 GMT -5
I don't know why the price has doubled -- but sending it to them in Orange County, Ca used to cost $400.
I would call them, get an RMA# and include a document outlining my issues. I've never paid more than the quote.
Is this a case of asking them too much info. The cost of my labor time was always worth them doing it and the turn around was usually about a week and a half. Of course I have two 01V's, so it wouldn't kill me to have one in service.
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Post by tourtelot on Jun 10, 2011 15:54:46 GMT -5
As of yesterday, from Yamaha, $510 for parts and $225 for labor. I'll do the labor myself so it will be a little over $500 to re-fader the whole panel.
D.
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Post by Phillip W. Palmer on Jun 12, 2011 9:08:25 GMT -5
Not too surprising that the price has increased somewhat, sorry you had to find out the hard way. Let us know how the DIY install goes. I expect this to come my way in the future.
Welcome to the group D.
PWP
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Post by mikefilosa on Jul 10, 2011 1:28:14 GMT -5
I just came across this thread...
Guys - is there any simple cleaning process that would mitigate the "ghostly fader" issue?
Unload a can of contact cleaner in there ?
I could see heat and humidity taking it's toll on these, but with cleaning and proper "excersize" of the faders, is this preventable?
Such a random development, at the wrong time, could be fatal, eh?
Mike Filosa, CAS
Atlanta
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Post by tourtelot on Jul 12, 2011 10:39:17 GMT -5
They are not faders in the conventional sense. They are encoders. Maybe some canned air would help but I believe it is just a wear and tear issue. Use them enough and they wear out. This`seems to be born out by the fact that the bad ones on my panel are the most used.
I have the parts at home; we wrap today and I should be able to make the repair next week. The guys in te Yammy shop tell me it won't be hard for someone with a reasonable amount of bench experience. I count myself among those; we'll see if I'm right. I.ll be doing all 17 faders. No use to have it apart and do half the job.
(I have had 01V96 panels apart all the way down to the bottom and have replaced other encoders with perfect results)
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Post by darren on Dec 1, 2011 0:58:02 GMT -5
If anyone was curious, THIS is what the fader panel looks like. If you are having fader issues, you do NOT need to replace this board, just whichever faders are having issues. However, it IS convenient to keep a fully populated fader board handy. That way, "when" you do have fader issues, you can quickly swap out your complete fader board. That will get you back up rather quickly, allowing you to re and re the faders on the fader board you have removed at a more convenient time, either yourself, or via your nearest service tech. Cheers! Darren Attachments:
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Post by darren on Dec 1, 2011 0:59:59 GMT -5
And here's the flip side: Attachments:
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